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  • aviva1
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    Trying to understand if this is a 2 sided conversation or honestly an open-shut case! Obviously I vaccinate but I want to understand where these Frum people are coming from!

    Thanks

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  • Rachel
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    Here are some basic stats – before the whole conversation goes wild πŸ™‚
    From the CDC
    Close to 500,000 cases were reported annually to CDC, resulting in:
    48,000 hospitalizations
    4,000 cases with encephalitis (brain swelling)
    450 to 500 deaths
    Read more here
    So about 1/1000 die & 1/100 get brain swelling resulting in permanent injury.
    Before the vaccinate came out , there were 6K deaths annually which is quite solid evidence that the shot helps πŸ™‚ – read more here https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html
    YWN had a letter from R’ Shternbach (head of badatz in Israel) that said 1/1000 is pikuach nefesh & had a lengthy letter to rabbi Kotler & said it is an obligation on every father to vaccinate his kid.
    You can read that letter & view it in English on YWN here https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1631188/rav-moshe-sternbuch-writes-letter-to-rav-malkiel-kotler-about-the-halachic-requirement-to-vaccinate.html
    The ant vaxxers supposedly claim you can become autistic from the shots etc.
    The DR who had that theory was booted & the latest , largest study ever disproves it – see that here
    https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/no-mmr-autism-link-large-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-kids
    This link also goes through that school of thought & concludes that it is not conclusive πŸ™‚
    https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/do-vaccines-cause-autism

    So – what is the story with the anti vaxxers? What is the philosophy behind it?
    Even if they claim it may harm their kid – do they disagree that measles & other diseases also harm people? If they agree, why do they think their kids should be in school? Don’t they understand that their kids – although not autistic – can harm others?
    I am honestly confused & would like to get their side!

    Thank you!

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    • Shiffs
      • Salesperson

      Wow. So many details.

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  • ADMIN
    • Chief Happiness Officer

    Just reminding everyone to keep this conversation safe & friendly.
    This can be a heated topic – but let’s just be civil.
    Enjoy!

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  • GirlBoss

    It seems like anti vaxxers are against alot of common medical practices and medicines… for me that raises questions about their credibility!

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  • Chayee

    New case in Lakewood. First in a month.
    Seems like this is never ending!

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  • YL2320

    From what I’ve read through social media, anti vaxxers also feel that the adjuvants that are put into vaccines are dangerous enough to cause seizures, death, encephalitis, allergies, asthma… while not everything put into vaccines are ideal.. the diseases they protect us against can be deadly to infants, elderly, immunocompromised.. but from their point of view it’s not just abt vaccines causing autism

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    • aviva1

      Interesting.
      2 questions.
      1) In that case, isnt it provable via autopsies? re asthma – and allergies – that should be provable as well based on numbers but us not the scariest side affect etc.
      2) If the result can be death – isnt it simple numbers game? If 1/1000 measles cases die and 1/100 have brain damage – vs whatever percentage their way – which obviously iw lower – even according to them.
      Shouldnt this be a simple answer?

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